Johannes4 Orner (Felix3, felix2, Ulrich1), born 1787-88 in Menallen, York (now Butler, Adams), Pennsylvania (although his gravestone says 1792(14));  died 11 November 1835(14) aged 47 years (The Republican Compiler, issue of 17 November 1835) in Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania;  married to ANNA SARAH BOEHMER who was born 21 August 1796 and christened 30 August 1799 (Sponsors: Valentin and Betsy Fehl)(6), and died 29 September 1853(14) aged 57 years, 01 month, 08 days in Menallen (The Republican Compiler, issue of 03 October 1853).

1820 Census: John Orner, page 028, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania.

1830 Census: John Orner, page 083, Menalen, Adams, Pennsylvania.

Probably 1840 Census: Elizabeth Orner, page 087, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania.

1850 Census: Sarah Orner, page 052, visit 681/751, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania.

His will (Adams Will File #1898) which was signed 24 July 1835 and proved 01 December 1835, mentions wife Sally Ann and sons John and Jonas; appoints Philip Beamer to be Executor; much of the rest is now unreadable; Final Account was filed 03 January 1837. They are buried at Fairview Cemetery at Arendtsville, Adams, Pennsylvania.

Children, born in Menallen:

Johannes5 Orner, born 05 May and christened 30 June 1816 (Sponsors: Moses and Luisa Kennedy)(6);  apparently died young.

Elisabeth5 Orner, born 05 March (or 07 April(6)) and christened 05 May 1817 (Sponsors: Felix and Juliana Orner [the paternal grandparents] )(6);  died 27 January 1897;  married first about 1844 to Christian Byer (his second marriage)(son of David Byer and Esther Baer) who was born 14 March 1797 in Pennsylvania and died 24 March 1871;  married second to Samuel Wisler. Christian was a farmer. 1850 Census: Christian Byers, page 743, visit 003/003, Hamiltonban, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1860 Census: Christian Byers, page 274, visit 217/234, Hamiltonban, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1870 Census: Christian Byers, page 193, visit 031/031, Highland, Adams, Pennsylvania. [Christian was married first to Elizabeth Reiniker who died 20 August 1843, and had five children.] [Info from descendant Violet (Roth) Wark.] Children with first husband:

John F.6 Byer, born 17 July 1845;  died 18 August 1932;  married to Adeline Plank who was born about 1852 in Ohio. He was a shoemaker. 1870 Census: John F. Byers, page 193, visit 030/030, Highland, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known child:  Sarah C. Byer, born about 1869.

Jonas6 Byer, born 17 April and died 19 August 1847.

Mary Jane6 Byer, born 06 October 1848;  died 20 March 1854.

Sarah6 Byer, born 18 November 1850;  died 01 July 1938;  married first after the 1870 census to Jacob Pfoutz who was born about 1848 in Pennsylvania and died 1880;  married second 1885-86 to Reuben D. Roth who was born 04 April 1844 and died 15 January 1924. Reuben was a farmer. 1900 Census: Ruben Roth, page 018, visit 128/133, Franklin, Adams, Pennsylvania. Children with second husband:  Lora? E. Roth, born about June 1887;  Dennis L. Roth, born about June 1889;  Lucy B. Roth, born about March 1895.

Susanna5 Orner, born 05 November 1818 and christened 28 January 1819 (Sponsors: parents)(6);  died 27 October 1904 aged 85 years, 11 months, 22 days;  married 18 January 1842 to HEINRICH J. SILLIK who was born 11 February 1819 in Menallen and died 13 September 1882. He was a farmer. 1850 Census: Henry Sillick, page 046, visit 611/677, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1860 Census: Henry Sillik, page 406, visit 401/432, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1870 Census: Henry Sillik, page 271, visit 311/336, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1900 Census: Susanna Sillik (widow, with brother Jonas Orner, below), page 002, visit 041/044, Arendtsville borough, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known children, born in Menallen:

(Sergeant) John A.6 Sillik, born about 1843;  married by 1870 to Ruth ______ who was born about 1847 in Ohio. He was a farmer. He served in Company I, 165th  Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment, and in Company K, 184th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment during the Civil War. 1870 Census: John A. Selick, page 015, visit 024/024, Amanda, Hancock, Ohio.

George Ephraim6 Sillik, born 12 March 1845;  apparently died before the 1880 census;  married to Mary Catherine ______ who was born about 1843 in Pennsylvania. He served in Warren’s Company, Pennsylvania Cavalry; and in Companies I and K, 184th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment during the Civil War. 1870 Census: George Selick, page 123, visit 182/215, Greencastle borough, Franklin, Pennsylvania. 1880 Census: Catherine Sillik, page 218, visit 103/111, Peters, Franklin, Pennsylvania. Known children, born in Pennsylvania:  Adam G. Sillik, born about 1868;  John A. Sillik, born about 1869, he applied for a minor’s pension based on his father’s Civil War service; Application #425821 filed 12 June 1890 in Pennsylvania;  Kate B. Sillik, born about 1875.

Elizabeth Jane6 Sillik, born 14 October 1846;  apparently died before the 1900 census;  married to John W. Tate (son of David and Margaret Tate) who was born about February 1846 in Pennsylvania. He was a shoemaker. 1880 Census: John W. Tate, page 004, visit 057/061, Mummasburg village, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1900 Census: John W. Tate (widower), page 019, visit 160/166, Franklin, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known children, last three probably not in correct birth order:  Nancy M. Tate, born about 1870;  Jennie Adaline Tate, born about 1875;  Mary Alice Tate, born about 1876;  Harvey Lewis Tate, born about October 1880;  William Clarence Tate, born about April 1885, 1900 Census: Clarence W. Tate (with Daniel March), page 057, visit 036/036, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania;  Ella Louise Tate, born about April 1888;  John Franklin Tate;  Ida Belle Tate;  Charles Henry Tate.

Mary Ellen6 Sillik, born 12 March 1850;  died 01 March 1884;  married to Henry Deardorff (son of Benjamin Deardorff and Mary Amelia Noel) who was born 31 May 1852 in Franklin, Adams, Pennsylvania and died 06 December 1927. 1880 Census: Henry Deardorff, page 020, visit 378/401, Franklin, Adams, Pennsylvania. [He was married second to Elizabeth Warren; he was married third after 1912 to Anna Catherine6 Orner.] Known children:  Matilda Alice Deardorff, born 21 October 1874, married 18 December 1896 to Clinton Dennis Bream who was born 24 December 1873(40), he was a farmer;  Annie Elizabeth Deardorf, born 26 November 1875, married to Lemuel Austin Burtner (son of Adam and Elizabeth Burtner) who was born 02 December 1872(40) in Adams County, he was a farmer;  Clinton Edwin Deardorff, born 17 February 1877, married to Dora Idell Tucker who was born 13 March 1876;  Emma Kate Deardorff, born 22 January 1879, married to Abram Wilson Wenk who was born 21 June 1882(40);  Arbon Benjamin Deardorff, born 08 June 1880(40), married to Estella Miller who was born 15 March 1879, he was a farmer;  Alma Susan Deardorff, born 15 March 1882, died 10 November 1883;  Mary Ellen Deardorff, born 13 February 1884, married Alfred W. Courtney, 1900 Census: Mary E. Deardorff (single, with uncle John W. Tate, just above).

Caroline Sarah6 Sillik, born 01 May and christened 20 June 1852 (Sponsors: parents)(6);  married 30 September 1873 to William A. Hammers who was born 10 May 1853 and died 06 June 1890. 1880 Census: William Hammers, page 150, visit 078/085, Cumberland, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known children:  Elmira S. Hammers, born 30 December 1874;  William Edward Hammers, born 04 March 1880;  Charles Lewis Hammers, born 08 September 1881(40), married Dora Virginia ______, he was a railroad trackman(40), he registered for the WWI Draft at McConnellsburg, Fulton, Pennsylvania;  Anna Mary Hammers, born 28 July 1883;  John V. Hammers, born 09 June 1885;  Stella A. Hammers, born 19 December 1886.

Levi Henry6 Sillik, born 22 November 1855;  died 04 October 1867.

+    JOHANNES5 ORNER, born 02 October and christened 04 November 1821 (Sponsors: parents)(6);  married first Margaret Sophia Grammer;  married second Anna Elisabeth Bittinger;  moved to Kansas.

Maria Magdalena5 Orner, born 14 March and christened 08 May 1824 (Sponsors: parents)(6);  apparently died before the 1900 census;  married to DAVID CRUM who was born 01 March and christened 14 May 1826 (Sponsors: John Lupp and Magdalena)(6). 1860 Census: David Crum, page 403, visit 404/411, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1870 Census: David Crum, page 273, visit 330/365, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1880 Census: David Crum, page 031, visit 057/060, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1900 Census: David Crum (widower, with his brother John Crum, below), page 042, visit 329/336, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known children:

+              Lovina B.6 Crum, born 25 April 1850;  married JOHN HEINRICH5 ORNER.

Lucy Ann Margaret6 Crum, born 15 October 1851 and christened 07 May 1852 (Sponsors: parents)(6).

Maria6 Crum, born about 1854. [Not with parents in 1870.]

Lucy6 Crum, born about 1856. [Not with parents in 1870.]

Calvin6 Crum, born 18 August 1858. [Not with parents in 1870.]

Emma C.6 Crum, born 1860.

Possibly Emanuel6 Crum.

Juliana5 Orner, born 10 July and christened 06 August 1826 (Sponsors: Felix and Juliana Orner [the paternal grandparents] )(6);  died 31 December 1881(14);  married 24 January 1847 to Henry Lupp (son of Johann Peter Lupp and Elizabeth Lower, and brother of Sophia Catherine Lupp who married Johannes5 Orner) who was born 23 April 1826 in Adams County and died 03 February 1909(14). [His ancestry is on page 090, The Loop Family in America, Victor L. Bennison, published by Penobscot Press, Amherst, New Hampshire, 1994.] He was a carpenter; later a cooper. 1850 Census: Henry Loop, page 013, visit 180/194, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1860 Census: Henry Lupp, page 032, visit 909/938, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1870 Census: Henry Lupp, page 017, visit 033/036, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1880 Census: Henry Lupp, page 054, visit 041/044, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1900 Census: Henry Lupp (widower), page 059, visit 079/079, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. They are buried at Fairview Cemetery at Arendtsville, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known children:

Lucy Ann6 Lupp, born 21 November 1847;  died 11 March 1923;  married 1868-69 to JOHN CRUM who was born about August 1834. He was a farmer. 1850 Census: (with father). 1870 Census: John Crum, page 022, visit 112/117, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1880 Census: John Crum, page 031, visit 055/058, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1900 Census: John Crum, page 042, visit 329/336, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1910 Census: John Crum (with son Solomon), page 277, visit 128/128, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1920 Census: Lucy Crum (widow, with son Solomon). Known children:  Solomon H. Crum, born about November 1869, married after the 1910 census to Annie ______ who was born about 1871 in Pennsylvania, he was a farmer, 1920 Census: Solomon Crum, page 053, visit 141/143, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania, they probably had no children;  Jennie T. Crum, born about 1873;  Elizabeth E. Crum, born about February 1880;  John David Crum, born 06 April 1881(40), died 05 February 1958, married Rosetta V.6 (Orner) Funt, 1900 Census: John D. Crum (with Reuben Taylor), page 042, visit 332/339, Menallen, Adams, Pennsylvania;  Catherine L. Crum, born about September 1886.

Georgianna6 Lupp, born 04 May 1850;  died 11 February 1918;  married 25 October 1874 to James W. Haldeman who was born about January 1849 in Pennsylvania. He was a farmer. 1880 Census: James Haldeman, page 201, visit 039/042, Highland, Adams, Pennsylvania. 1900 Census: James Haldeman, page 060, visit 103/103, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known children:  Henry Hayes Haldeman, born 04 April 1877(40), married Maud A. ______;  Ida Katherine Haldeman, born about June 1879;  William Haldeman, born about January 1881.

Sarah Ann Elizabeth6 Lupp, born 27 January 1853;  died 29 January 1863.

Sophia Elvina6 Lupp, born 03 November and died 17 December 1857.

Ida6 Lupp, born about 1867;  apparently died before the 1900 census;  married 20 March 1891 to William Devling Eldred (his second marriage)(son of (Honorable) George Jarvis Eldred and Salina Devling) who was born 06 July 1843 in Michigan and died 18 July 1917 at Dayton, Montgomery, Ohio (Death Certificate #74524, Volume 2435). [Some info from collateral descendant Eldred W. Atkinson; also a webpage with photos that he wrote about the Eldred family.] [Eldred ancestry is also in Harold E. Bower’s GEDCOM.] He served in Company B, 11th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment during the Civil War. He received an invalid pension (Certificate #845835); Application #356224 filed 14 April 1880 in Pennsylvania. He is buried at Dayton National Cemetery (Section #1, Row 15, Grave 3). 1900 Census: Wm D Eldred (widower), page 060, visit 108/108, Butler, Adams, Pennsylvania. Known children:  Mary Grace [?Lupp] Eldred, born about 1889, married 1906-07 to John Leander Keesey (son of John Henry Keesey and Catherine E. ______) who was born 10 October 1882(40)(49) at York, York, Pennsylvania, he was a printer at York Printing Company(40), later he worked at the Harrisburg Telegraph-Press(49), 1910 Census: John L Keesey, page 111, visit 109/109, York (10th Ward), York, Pennsylvania, [he was married second by 1930 to Mary Jane ______(49) who was born about 1869 in Pennsylvania, 1930 Census: John L. Keesey [and second wife], page 192, visit 259/317, Haledon, Passaic, New Jersey], no children with him in 1910 or 1930;  Andrew Curtin Eldred, born 23 April 1891(17)(40)(49), died 21 July 1964(17) at Dayton (Death Certificate #054208), married to Emma M. ______ who was born 15 September 1891(17) in Pennsylvania and died 25 May 1985(17) at Kettering, Montgomery, Ohio (Death Certificate #039256), he worked for a lumber company, 1910 Census: Andrew C. Eldred (single, with brother-in-law John L. Keesey), 1930 Census: Andrew C. Eldred, page 111, visit 496/502, Madison, Montgomery, Ohio, known children born in Ohio: Lester L. Eldred born 26 October 1912(17) and died 15 May 1994 at Dayton(17), Helen M. Eldred born about 1915, Evelyn G. Eldred born about 1918, Curtin E. Eldred born about 1919, Robert E. Eldred born 12 December 1921(17) and died 26 July 2005 at Dayton(17), Roland G. Eldred born 27 February 1924(17) and died 07 March 2007 at Dayton(17), and Merlin E. Eldred born about May 1926.

+    JONAS PAUL5 ORNER, born 24 March and christened 12 April 1829 (Sponsors: Jacob Orner and Barbara Boehmer)(6);  married Amelia Carolina Grammer.

Anna Christina5 Orner, born 29 July and christened 28 August 1831 (Sponsors: parents)(6).

Felix5 Orner, born 09 January and christened 26 April 1834 (Sponsors: parents)(6).

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